"Death of 3 Great Men" None RP Discussion.

[support]

omg so you are a normal runner swearing at peeps they swaer bk its a fact of neocron get over it dont get them banned noob tbh

[Androth]

Clan DOY has always supported the faction and the dome factions and always will, so lets get that strait. There is more than one member of DOY perhaps you didn't notice? Please don't confuse high soulight with the only people who do what needs to be done for the faction. Assisting others with tools and support who can and will do what needs to be done for the faction is just as important. Side note here, claiming self righteousness and “doing for the good of the faction” coming from one who's clan is based on the statement “The clan that doesn't give a fuck.” is a bit hypocritical, and frankly shows your lack of understanding of just what it means to be FA in the first place. Frankly that attitude would be better served with the gangsters in BD tbh. The instance on causing decent within the ranks of the FA only further suggests that the good of the faction is not your motivation.

Many Clan DoY members do exactly what needs to be done, however unlike certain parties we also have the resources to ensure the effectiveness of our loyal members, resources that have been available to any loyal FA. Yet you insist on turning your back on those resources instead, presumably thinking that your alliance with a outside factions, clans, and runners is somehow more important. Note that the recent issues involve things outside of the faction, and the insistence of some parties to cause disorder within the faction for a outside matter disturbs me as a loyal FA. Certain parties attempts to disrupt the relations between Clan DOY and Phoenix Ltd., obvious as they were to us, appear to have been successful. It is our hope that this pattern doesn't continue, but with free minds who knows... We cannot keep our members from a hostile reaction, when attempts on the life of our leader and your chairperson in her own apartment are made under the guise of a rare part researching while wearing a certain corporate tag... It is often hard to make distinction from one free minds actions and the policies of a corporations sometimes, and while there are appropriate channels with which to discuss and resolve these kinds of issues, they were not maintained in this instance for reasons unknown...

The lack of support for our chairperson, further seems a bit on the needless side and only further weakens us as a faction and weaken the domes alliances in general. We are all becoming exactly what the pros say we are, carnivorous of ourselves lacking anything more constructive to do. Our lack of unity, and lack of acceptance of how things are in the now, further allows the pros to do what they are doing.

Accusations have been flying left and right, and yet loyal FAs appear to be eager to jump on a OUTSIDERS side of the matter for reasons unknown. What exactly is it you think your chairperson has done to you personally? What is it that compels you to not trust her and her judgment? When in your own personal relations with the chairperson have you had such things she has been accused of transpire? Out of this whole situation, what if anything does it have to do with FA's internal politics at all? These are the things that trouble me... Our spies in the city tell us the prevailing opinion of city loyalists is that we at the Dome are in utter chaos, is that really working for the best interests of the faction and the dome alliance?


OOC:

You should all keep in mind that the runners given bans were give them based on access logs, something that has come from the GM's themselves LINK. They made the call to remove those accounts while investigating the situation, yet you insist that it was some form of phone call and they are gone thing. (I'm not even sure what leads you to believe that we had any issues with you or neo at all, aside from the occasional pk thing that frankly happens when clans are at odds with eachother.) It is no game and I mean no games policy to discuss or relay evidence behind the reasoning for bans, and if you read the eula carefully you'll note that they legally can terminate your account for any reason they wish at any time without notice. And for that matter they were right in doing so:

Pantho:

No, its because i asked for proof of my crimes - Repeatadly, and they couldnt give me any ,

They wont say this but basically i was banned for the hell of it- My only crime was making a char called "Suck ressis Balls", And thats not even a warning crime - they should just rename the char -

btw, it was a mr jones char that lasted 30 mins,

LINK

What, you just sat there for the 30 minutes with that Jones character and did nothing? Are you serious? And yet even knowing that you had some part in the abuse, she, in the interest of fairness for all parties concerned, made appeals on your behalf.... Apparently your hypocrisy knows no boundaries or limitations sir... Personally I find your attitude, actions, and previous communications on the matter shameful, but thats neither here nor there...

It's my opinion that some think that because its a MA game, and that swearing and thus are allowed, that gives them the right to abuse people. While I am all for freedom of expression, situations like this are part of the reasoning behind why most games avoid MA content. The abuse of the policy may one day, make them rethink the adult nature of the game, frankly I do not understand any persons insistence on helping us to the path of censorship in NC. Frankly I'm not sure why anyone would defend such abusive behavior and find the lack of empathy on their part disturbing. If it was you getting the continual abuse every time you logged in every day, with statements relating to life outside of the game involving your loved ones and so fourth I do not think your attitude would be as it is, and frankly assisting anyone in this type of thing makes you guilty not matter how you justify it to yourself...

<back in char>

As loyal FA, as I hope you all are, I suggest you pay careful attention to what you here and from who, not every source of information regarding the inner polices and actions of Clan DOY may be accurate to current policy. And don't think for a second we don't know who/where this disinformation comes from... The attempts to cause some kind of paranoia within our ranks are foolish, as we are fully aware of what you are attempting to do, and frankly those attempting this severely underestimate our resources on the matter...

You all as free minds must examine the motivations of the persons giving you information, especially information that will effect political policy, and make decisions based on what you personally have experienced rather that than rumor and innuendo. The fact that we as the FA are susceptible to such things, especially when dealing with those outside the faction, is disturbing but I suppose it comes with our free mind policy. I think my communications on this matter will be discarded as rubbish, but I feel compelled to give this matter some response...

-A

[Grave]

hey punk nobody wants to read shit that long, and second this thread is entirely OOC

[Pantho]

Pantho:

No, its because i asked for proof of my crimes - Repeatadly, and they couldnt give me any ,

They wont say this but basically i was banned for the hell of it- My only crime was making a char called "Suck ressis Balls", And thats not even a warning crime - they should just rename the char -

btw, it was a mr jones char that lasted 30 mins,

LINK

What, you just sat there for the 30 minutes with that Jones character and did nothing? Are you serious? And yet even knowing that you had some part in the abuse, she, in the interest of fairness for all parties concerned, made appeals on your behalf.... Apparently your hypocrisy knows no boundaries or limitations sir... Personally I find your attitude, actions, and previous communications on the matter shameful, but thats neither here nor there...[/quote]

Nope, I did that, i created a alt, ok..

It was wrong, it was a mistake, but it did not Warrant a Perma Ban, It was Not violating 4 points of the Terms Of conduct act, Truth is they didnt research the thing, they jsut banned - Which is why i really must ask nidd to get altify this -

It's very simple really. The rules clearly state that you are responsible for what happens on your account and the server logs clearly show people on those accounts writing the kind of comments that I would bounce you off the forums for, and there would be no way you'd be coming back.

We've told you a hundred times over the years, DON'T share your account with anyone.

Thread closed.

NO - NO - NO Stelco Steel had not logged my account on any of the days in question - The IP logs show this, and if Niddhog See's this i hope she changes her post.

Also the link as made because i have logged Stelco's account on the Saturday, Even though the abuse was said to have been on the Thur-Frid. This means that How could there be a link with the abuse.

And i only logged Dr. Jeckyll, and was way to busy PvP'ing (Killed 20 + Pro tho, good fun Revenge drones rock) .

In char -

Project Parania, sounds intresting i wonder who has organised this.

sounds like a fun eventful event, I might Tag along for the ride,

[Pantho]

The fact that we as the FA are susceptible to such things, especially when dealing with those outside the faction,

Well aint you in for one BIG Suprise -

[Androth]

Surprised no, disheartened yes… To bad its not going to work...

[Pantho]

I am no longer going to comment on this -

Project Paranoia, is nothing to do with me. Its a pure RolePlay item in the game atm. That i am not going near,

After all dont want the entire server getting banned now do we, Only clan left DoY - Ops owned by Doy, still 0 ,

would be funny tbh

[Pantho]

Surprised no, disheartened yes… To bad its not going to work...

Just realised part of what u wrote, (to lazy to edit, no dramatic feeling), Work,

you cannot stop the Suprise, read closly moron, there is abig clue... #Maybe u should use the edit button on ur post tho.

[Ressi]

I am asking for the second time let me see this so called proof (of Pantho')

also Ressi Blade is a tradeskiller she does not fight
I have my fighters and yes they fight, they even pk if needed u all just dont know them (matter of fact no one knows them)
Also I knew of that assassination and let u do it Gunnar so u could have your fun
And yes Ressi does a lot of business (as in auctions for example, the last one brought in 100 mill)

[Pantho]

I am asking for the second time let me see this so called proof (of Pantho') ?

Sorry am i offtrack here Proof of what?

And so, hmm both times you have been killed was all through "On purpose" ahh, of course it was.

[Bugs Gunny]

Ressi, i wonder if i could get someoneone permabanned if they made a mr jones char called "gunnar sucks kids".

I'll bet you it would never happen.

It's just blatant abuse of relations to someone very high up.
All this has given the GM's a very big dent in their reputation, and the whole of KK too.
Not only does the server know about this, but it's VERY bad publicity for the game.

We are going to instate SIL in power, because he WILL provide a lot more for the FA faction, and he'll make things a lot less boring for all FA.

We are going to tear your clan appart, piece by piece, from the inside, because it's an interesting project. I'm sure you allready have suspicions about who we have inside, but once the person finds out he'll get caught i ordered him to do someting euh... very interesting

And ressi, in your trading, be prepared to be scammed a lot.

I have nothing against you personaly, i'm just doing it all in a roleplay thing ingame. Just be warned that i can be very persistent when i do things and i'm bored of all the other stuff.

[sanityislost]

@Androth

Right now the only weakness we have in FA is the current embarrassment we
have as our faction chairwomen.


We need to get rid of what is killing the faction, and that's Ressi Blade.


Oh and the only thing that affected the relations between Clan DOY and
Phoenix Ltd was Ressi having the idea she could tell people what the should
do in and out of game


SiL ..:..

[Phayse]

Clan DOY has always supported the faction and the dome factions and always will, so lets get that strait. There is more than one member of DOY perhaps you didn't notice? Please don't confuse high soulight with the only people who do what needs to be done for the faction. Assisting others with tools and support who can and will do what needs to be done for the faction is just as important. Side note here, claiming self righteousness and “doing for the good of the faction” coming from one who's clan is based on the statement “The clan that doesn't give a fuck.” is a bit hypocritical, and frankly shows your lack of understanding of just what it means to be FA in the first place. Frankly that attitude would be better served with the gangsters in BD tbh. The instance on causing decent within the ranks of the FA only further suggests that the good of the faction is not your motivation.

Thats seems a little high and mighty too if you ask me, therefore hypocritical.

Many Clan DoY members do exactly what needs to be done, however unlike certain parties we also have the resources to ensure the effectiveness of our loyal members, resources that have been available to any loyal FA. Yet you insist on turning your back on those resources instead, presumably thinking that your alliance with a outside factions, clans, and runners is somehow more important.

The resources, I will state as someone with a lot of ingame dealings with Ressi and a couple of other DoY members, are no different to what a lot of other clans offer. I choose DoY because they get the job done, and they're convenient. That said - the resources have nothing to do with this issue, what are you saying? If we don't vote DoY, you won't do business with us?


Note that the recent issues involve things outside of the faction, and the insistence of some parties to cause disorder within the faction for a outside matter disturbs me as a loyal FA. Certain parties attempts to disrupt the relations between Clan DOY and Phoenix Ltd., obvious as they were to us, appear to have been successful. It is our hope that this pattern doesn't continue, but with free minds who knows...

Cast your mind back a few months. When a DOY member caused a comlete fiasco when he attempted to take over the SSX, he abused the trust of Biggie, and wormed his way to near total control of the clan, before being ejected by yours truly. There's very few people in your clan I trust. Those few being 2. Clown and Ressi.


We cannot keep our members from a hostile reaction, when attempts on the life of our leader and your chairperson in her own apartment are made under the guise of a rare part researching while wearing a certain corporate tag... It is often hard to make distinction from one free minds actions and the policies of a corporations sometimes, and while there are appropriate channels with which to discuss and resolve these kinds of issues, they were not maintained in this instance for reasons unknown...

The lack of support for our chairperson, further seems a bit on the needless side and only further weakens us as a faction and weaken the domes alliances in general. We are all becoming exactly what the pros say we are, carnivorous of ourselves lacking anything more constructive to do. Our lack of unity, and lack of acceptance of how things are in the now, further allows the pros to do what they are doing.

Accusations have been flying left and right, and yet loyal FAs appear to be eager to jump on a OUTSIDERS side of the matter for reasons unknown.

The matter is perfectly known. There is no confidence in the leadership, and distrust of a clan.


What exactly is it you think your chairperson has done to you personally? What is it that compels you to not trust her and her judgment? When in your own personal relations with the chairperson have you had such things she has been accused of transpire? Out of this whole situation, what if anything does it have to do with FA's internal politics at all? These are the things that trouble me... Our spies in the city tell us the prevailing opinion of city loyalists is that we at the Dome are in utter chaos, is that really working for the best interests of the faction and the dome alliance?


OOC:

You should all keep in mind that the runners given bans were give them based on access logs, something that has come from the GM's themselves LINK. They made the call to remove those accounts while investigating the situation, yet you insist that it was some form of phone call and they are gone thing. (I'm not even sure what leads you to believe that we had any issues with you or neo at all, aside from the occasional pk thing that frankly happens when clans are at odds with eachother.) It is no game and I mean no games policy to discuss or relay evidence behind the reasoning for bans, and if you read the eula carefully you'll note that they legally can terminate your account for any reason they wish at any time without notice. And for that matter they were right in doing so:

The fact of the matter is, the GMs were way out of line before. The decision was incorrect, and for the record ( as I know a fair bit more than some people give me credit for) not completely justified.

Pantho:

No, its because i asked for proof of my crimes - Repeatadly, and they couldnt give me any ,

They wont say this but basically i was banned for the hell of it- My only crime was making a char called "Suck ressis Balls", And thats not even a warning crime - they should just rename the char -

btw, it was a mr jones char that lasted 30 mins,

LINK

What, you just sat there for the 30 minutes with that Jones character and did nothing? Are you serious? And yet even knowing that you had some part in the abuse, she, in the interest of fairness for all parties concerned, made appeals on your behalf.... Apparently your hypocrisy knows no boundaries or limitations sir... Personally I find your attitude, actions, and previous communications on the matter shameful, but thats neither here nor there...

It's my opinion that some think that because its a MA game, and that swearing and thus are allowed, that gives them the right to abuse people. While I am all for freedom of expression, situations like this are part of the reasoning behind why most games avoid MA content. The abuse of the policy may one day, make them rethink the adult nature of the game, frankly I do not understand any persons insistence on helping us to the path of censorship in NC. Frankly I'm not sure why anyone would defend such abusive behavior and find the lack of empathy on their part disturbing. If it was you getting the continual abuse every time you logged in every day, with statements relating to life outside of the game involving your loved ones and so fourth I do not think your attitude would be as it is, and frankly assisting anyone in this type of thing makes you guilty not matter how you justify it to yourself...

<back in char>

As loyal FA, as I hope you all are, I suggest you pay careful attention to what you here and from who, not every source of information regarding the inner polices and actions of Clan DOY may be accurate to current policy. And don't think for a second we don't know who/where this disinformation comes from... The attempts to cause some kind of paranoia within our ranks are foolish, as we are fully aware of what you are attempting to do, and frankly those attempting this severely underestimate our resources on the matter...

You all as free minds must examine the motivations of the persons giving you information, especially information that will effect political policy, and make decisions based on what you personally have experienced rather that than rumor and innuendo. The fact that we as the FA are susceptible to such things, especially when dealing with those outside the faction, is disturbing but I suppose it comes with our free mind policy. I think my communications on this matter will be discarded as rubbish, but I feel compelled to give this matter some response...

-A

I'm sorry, but that is the most elitist pile of shite I have ever read. Is this the attitude of the clan? Or your own opinions?

I'm sorry, you cannot defend yourself or your clan, simply by lashing out at everyone else, bandying threats around and hiding behind the GM. Any confidence in the clan as a whole on my part is lost.

I'll put this issue to teh exiles to find out where we stand on this, and will post accordingly.

[Trillian]

Oh and the only thing that affected the relations between Clan DOY and
Phoenix Ltd was Ressi having the idea she could tell people what the should
do in and out of game


SiL ..:..

Yep, that one there is true. She started sending angry msges to Bram after she caught me and SiL on a ventrilo server of "people she did not aprove of." Neither me, or SiL were even in game at the time. As far as I know, she's ignored us at best - treated us like shit at worst, since that happened. And tbh it is that little fact right there that began to make me believe that maybe the story I was getting from here was not the full and complete story, it was nothing that any of the other parties that are involved said or did. It was caused by ressi herself.

[support]

I am asking for the second time let me see this so called proof (of Pantho')

also Ressi Blade is a tradeskiller she does not fight
I have my fighters and yes they fight, they even pk if needed u all just dont know them (matter of fact no one knows them)
Also I knew of that assassination and let u do it Gunnar so u could have your fun
And yes Ressi does a lot of business (as in auctions for example, the last one brought in 100 mill)

so where is the 100 million in your banks yes i thought so and why would you keep your alts that know one knows that crap your the chair women and no one knows you only the person you play is ressiand if you are the leader of clan doy you have told them well to lie that is like my other clan mates went to cycrow and they wqas clan doy they so the pro clan killed them all then when i was talking to clown he said they was 9 of them they was only 4 agaist like 7 lol